The Ontology of the Stoics and Epicureans

The Stoics borrowed their arche of the universe from Heraclitus.  Heraclitus believed that the universal element of all things was ultimately fire.  It’s not clear whether he believed this metaphorically or literally.  Heraclitus believed the universe always in a state of becoming, never any substantial being to anything.  Everything was in a state of flux.

One can suppose that Heraclitus believed fire was the primary element of the universe because he saw everything always in a state of process or transience, things going in and out of existence.  A fire starts, burns, and then extinguishes itself.  Similarly things are born, sustain for a little while, and then die.

The Logos, which is the word, law, or order of everything is itself fire and manifestly orders the world.  Heraclitus saw the Logos as containing contradiction: day/night, birth/death, winter/summer, love/strife, war/peace, etc, etc.  The Logos was the unifying principle of opposites and it explained why people had contradictory opinions.  But the Logos was the ultimate truth because it contained all things and all opposites.

The Epicureans borrowed their arche of the universe from Democritus.  Democritus believed that all change in the universe was a result of changeless atoms that moved through the void.  Democritus had the idea that if you kept cutting things into pieces, you’d eventually yield indivisible pieces that could no longer be cut any further:  atoms.

Democritus actually had a pretty good idea about how atoms and the void were real but our impression of sweetness, bitter, cold, hot, color were all in our heads.  Democritus believed that only atoms and the void were real but everything else built from atoms was an illusion.  This is particularly interesting because it seems almost like a time travelling physicist went back in time and told Democritus that this was really how the universe was ordered.

The Stoics basically took the idea of the Logos and made it into a deterministic driving force of the universe not too dissimilar to Heraclitus.  The Epicureans took the idea of the atoms and void and made it into a system of randomness with coincidental order.  The Epicureans believed that everything was pretty much randomly produced from atoms and then dispersed back into atoms.

Because of the Stoic’s notion of the universe as deterministic and orderly, they essentially had to believe free will was somehow compatible with determinism.  Because of the Epicurean’s notion of the universe as indeterministic and chaotic, they essentially believed free will was totally enabled by atoms being able to randomly swerve and thus people were able to freely do things without being dictated by prior causes.

It’s interesting to think that the Stoic notion of determinism and the Epicurean notion of indeterminism basically foretold 20th century physics.  On the macroscopic level, the universe appears to be deterministic.  On the quantum level, the universe appears to be indeterministic.  It really makes you think that physicists from the 20th century told the Epicureans and Stoics incomplete information about the cosmos and told them that was how things actually were.

A drawing of a Lithium atom. In the middle is the nucleus, which in this case has four neutrons (blue) and three protons (red). Orbiting it are its three electrons.pexels-photo-207353.jpeg


What did the Stoics think of Parmenides?

I wonder if Parmenides had any of the Stoic logicians concerned about Being and Time. i’m reminded of the child philosopher who asks, “why is there something rather than nothing?” Parmenides answers that something couldn’t come from nothing because only nothing could have come from nothing. Since there is something now then there could have only been something since ever. in fact, something never extinguishes and something is never generated. if something had a genesis that would violate the principle that something can only come from something. It would’ve had to come from nothing which is impossible. So there is no becoming. There is only being. In fact that which is will always be. That which is cannot change because it will have to become what is not. But nothing can’t come from something. Just like something can’t come from nothing.

Parmenides concludes that nothing ever changes. Everything always is and will never not be and will never come to be because nothing can only come from nothing. And something can only come from something. All change is an illusion. Nothing ever changes. Parmenides’s arguments that change was an illusion were buttressed by Zeno of Elea’s paradoxes that motion is impossible.

The Stoics owe their metaphysics to Heraclitus, who believed that everything was in a state of flux and everything was commanded by the Logos which was a principle of opposites (night and day, love and strife, winter and summer, etc, etc). Things are constantly generated and then dissolve and are extinguished. In fact, the universe is continuously dissolved and generated forever and ever.

I suppose Parmenides never worried the Stoics because the Stoics trusted their senses and saw that time flows, motion is possible, and that things are divisible. We see daily with our senses that things are born and die. Everything is in flux. in fact the only thing that is is becoming. There is no real being.

What do you guys think? Is there only being? Or is there only becoming? Is change an illusion or there only change?

Here’s an article that discusses Heraclitus’s ontology vs Parmenides’s